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early (pre 1848) Hispanic Californians 
(also called Californianos or Californios) and their descendants.
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Pregunta 600 - 2 March 2010

Refugia Leiva's parents' lines go back to the mid-1700s. Ruth's father was Francisco Antonio who  was born in Santa Barbara in 1821. Francisco's  father was Juan Jose Leyba (natural) of Santa Barbara. Francisco's mother was Maria Gertrudis Stanisloa Felize, also from Santa Barbara. Ruth's mother was Maria Antonia Arellanes also born in Santa Barbara in 1845. Maria Antonia's parents were: Jose Regino Arellanes, recorded as a natural of Santa Barbara and Maria Monica Josepha Sanchez. also recorded as natural of Santa Barbara. Ruth's birth was about 1857. Her death record is from the Ventura mission book of death . I just want to know where Ruth was buried. Ruth's death date 1 May1889 Ventura, Ventura, Calif. I've been to the mission. and the Ventura court house hall of records and got no results. Thank you for your time. [Jim Garcia (nonmember), Los Angeles, Calif.]  

Pregunta 599 - 2 March 2010

I'm looking for the parents of Porfirio Castro [born 15 September 1855] who  married Maria Catalina Helena "Ellen" McDonaugh.  He died in Santa Barbara, Calif.  on a0 June 1917. According to my grandparents and some old California newspapers I have, my family is related to Gen. Jose Antonio Castro but I haven't been able to find any information about Porfirio's parents other than his mothers name may be Maria Antonia.

Porfirio and Ellen had 3 children, Antonia, Frank Henry, and Louisa. Louisa is my great-great-grandmother. I am fascinated by this side of my family and I've tried Ancestry. So far, no luck other than what I've listed. Any information would be so appreciated! [Lindsay (nonmember), Seattle, Wash.]

Pregunta 598 - 2 March 2010

There were two Gabriel Sibrians born to the same family one in 1820 one in 1824. I hope this will help to identify between them.

FHC Tape  #0944282
I. Jose Gabriel Cibrian, Santa Clara Bats, II # 6875 1 day old, baptized 19 March, 1820.  Parents Leocadio Sibrian and Maria Petra Archuleta.  **10-1999, I found a Gabriel Cibrian in two Great Registers in Santa Clara County, 1. 1890 Sibrian, Gabriel  who on the date of registration Jan 5, 1888 was 68 years old.  2.  1892 Great register of Santa Clara County, Gabriel Sibrian - date of registration Oct. 13, 1892, sworn age is 72.  This proves to me that this is our ancestor, who was born in 1820. 

II. Gabriel Cibrian 2 days of Leocadio and Ma. Petra Archuleta, Santa Clara Bat.II # 7480, 24 March 1824. ** This has to be the Gabriel below who died in 1837.
    FHC Tape 0944282 # 7200-01; 5 August 1837, Crispin and his brother Gabriel Cibrian, who did not receive any Sacrament because they had killed them, and I not knowing of their death until the other day.
      After years of research into this problem I finally found in William H. Davis' book Seventy-Five Years in California, Chapter XLVIII (48) Yoscolo, the Mission Indian Renegade, page 235.  The mystery is solved;  on page 236 is the following information.
"There was a great Indian Fight in 1837  with many Indians killed, about 100 were killed and wounded in this battle.  Of the Californians only eight or ten were killed, but a large number were wounded.  Among the killed were two brothers Cibrian, of a well-known family of the pueblo of San Jose."

I have researched the Cibrian/ Family for thirty years and if anyone has any information concerning this please contact me m.works@comcast.net . [Marian Wyman Works (member), Anacortes, Wash.]

Pregunta 597 - 15 February 2010

I am trying to find information about Rosario Castro (1852-1894). She married Jose de los Santo Boronda  (1842-1925 --baptized 17 November1842 at Mission San Carlos). He was the son of Jose Manuel Boronda (1803-1878) and Juana Cota (1805-1894). They were married 2 May 1821 at Mission San Carlos. [Rick Harris (nonmember), King City, Calif.]

Pregunta 596 - 15 February 2010

I'm looking for information regarding Jacoba Feliz and wonder if she is part of the family of Corporal Jose Vicente Feliz.  I would also like the names of her children.  She was the second wife of Ignacio del Valle who at one time was the head of the Camulos Rancho. [Annette Sanchez (nonmember), Pico Rivera, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 596 - 15 February 2010

According to Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850:

Vol. I, pp. 144-45: Maria Jacoba Feliz was the 4th child, 2nd daughter of Jose Tomas Feliz [born about 1793 at Los Angeles of Francisco Feliz and Maria Josefa Cota; buried 12 November 1830 at Los Angeles Plaza Church] and Maria de Jesus Lopez [born about 1797 at Mission San Vicente, Baja California of Juan Bautista Lopez and Maria Dolores Salgado], who married 5 January 1815 at Mission San Fernando.  Maria Jacoba was baptized 25 July 1820 at Mission San Fernando. She married first, Antonio de Valle on 1 February 1835 at Mission San Fernando. She married second, Luis Salazar on 24 June 1844 at the same mission. Jose Tomas Feliz was a soldado de cuera in the escolta of the Santa Barbara Presidio. Juan Bautista Lopez was the Mayordomo at Mission San Miguel, Baja California in 1790.

Vol. II, pp.306-308: Maria Jacoba was the third wife of Antonio del Valle who was buried 3 June 1841 at Mission San Fernando. They had four children: Jose Antonio del Altagracia del Valle [baptized 13 March 1837 at Los Angeles Plaza Church], Ygnacio de Gracia del Valle [baptized 14 September  1838 at Mission Santa Barbara], Vicenta del Valle [baptized 11 July 1840 at Los Angeles Plaza Church], and Maria de la Concepcion Antonia del Valle [baptized 9 December 1841 at Mission Santa Barbara]. Maria Jacoba also had children by Salazar, but they are not listed.  Antonio del Valle was the grantee of Rancho San Francisco in 1839 and Mayordomo at Mission San Fernando 1835-1837  [Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 595 - 15 February 2010

Does anyone have information for a Josefa Reyes, born about 1828, a Native Californian. [Rick Waldau (nonmember), Huntington Beach, Calif.]

Pregunta 594 - 15 February 2010

Is there any connection between the Robles brothers of old Villa de Branciforte (1795 or so) and the town of Paso Robles? [Anthony Smoke (nonmember), Santa Cruz, Calif.]

Pregunta 593 - 2 February 2010

Am looking for information on my great-great grandmother Maria Jesus Valenzuela, born in San Diego, California in 1810 and married Don Dolores Lucero who was also born in San Diego. I believe her father was Don Pedro Franco, who arrived from Spain in 1790 as a military attaché. [Adrianna Lenain (nonmember), Irvine, Calif.]

Pregunta 592 - 2 February 2010

I am researching saddle work/design for the 'Californio' period.  I am primarily looking at the type of flowers, leaves, stems used on saddle work that represents the California Vaquero period.  If anyone can direct me to any historical/reference books or magazines, it would be greatly appreciated.  Muchas Gracias! [Samuel Cortina (nonmember), Austin, Tex.]

Pregunta 591- 2 February 2010

Using the Huntington Early California database, I've found 10 children born to Jose(f) Cipriano Bernal and Petra Pacheco (2nd marriages for both).  Eight daughters and 2 sons...and it appears that five of the daughters had at least 11 illegitimate children between them.  It appears that Josefa, Ygnacia, Fransisca, and Antonia each had two, and Humiliana had three.  I've found subsequent marriage records for Fransisca (to Carlos Fren), Humiliana (to Jose Mesa).  Of the other three daughters, Encarnation, Dolores, and Guadalupe, I can find a marriage (Encarnation to Francisco Altamirano) but no additional illegitimate children.  Josefa apparently had two unfindable marriages, as she has one legitimate child with Luis Garcia. and four with Guillermo Mathias (William Mathews).  One of Josefa's illegitimate children is has the name of the father (Guillermo Mathias) crossed out in the original document.  Josefa is most likely my ancestor, and all the data I've found on her supports  the family "legends". 

My questions:  what was the culture in San Jose/Santa Clara at the time that this family of girls were so, shall we say, unsupervised?  Second, where can I look for possible marriages in the early 1840s besides the mission records?  (Did Sutter record any of the weddings he performed?)  Josefa's granddaughter said that her grandparents were married in Sonoma by a priest who didn't need to hear confessions.  Does that make any sense?  Any input on these general issues would be appreciated.  [Patricia Howe (not yet member), Napa, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 591 - 2 March 2010

I did just find a file in the San Jose Library California Room with a single sheet of paper, on which there are what appears to be possible translations of routine administrative issues in 1843 (I wish I could find the reference).  It refers to the resolution of the case of Miliana (Humiliana) Bernal, based on the complaint of Margarita Pacheco, wife of Francisco Palomores Miliana was accused of being "in concubinage with Senor Palomares" and to be sent to San Francisco, not to return to San Jose on pain of law.  There must be someone out there who has researched this fascinating aspect of the history of early California, please help me learn more.  I suspect many, but not all, of Miliana's sisters may have been in similar circumstances.   And regarding Ms Miranda's helpful post, how would I learn what the racial identification of this family was? (Of course, family legends insist they were Castilian Spanish).  Thanks so much for any leads, clues, or cousins! [Patricia Howe (not yet member), Napa, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 591 - 15 February 2010

Patricia, the supervision of women and girls/culture of the area really depend on two things:  when, and how the family was racially identified.  As the California Missions began to decline and the Church lost much of its influence on the indigenous peoples, the institutions of marriage began to fragment in many ways.  Catholic marriages were always resisted in different ways by neophytes, but by the 1830s and on, multiple partners and children born with fathers who were "incognito" or "no conocido" in the Mission records became quite common.  You might want to read Steven Hackel's amazing book, Children of Coyote, Children of Saint Francis - it's an in-depth study of the San Carlos (Carmel) Mission, and covers much of the social/cultural/legal responses of the Indians to Missionization.  I am descended from Indians at San Carlos who are mentioned in the book.  The time just before and right after secularization (closing of the missions) was profoundly difficult: starvation, alcoholism, homelessness, and anti-Indian laws and culture created a massive challenge to the Indians who had already survived tremendous upheaval.  The "unsupervised" girls were the least of their worries, and in fact, turn out to be a large part of the reason any of us survived at all!  Good luck with your research.  Hackel has a great bibliography.  [Deborah Miranda (nonmember), Lexington, Virg.]



 

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