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Pregunta 120 - 22 February 2003

 I am searching for information on Serafina Lugo and her family. I would like to know, if possible, if she had brothers and their names. [Roderick (nonmember), Perris Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 120 - 22 February 2003

Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850, Vol. I, pp. 135-36, has the following information. María Serafina Lugo (born at Sinaloa, México of Juan Salvador de Lugo and Francisca Espinosa; buried 10 March 1781 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey, viuda) married José Joaquin Cayetano Espinosa (born at Sinaloa, México of Joaquín Espinosa and María Lugo) at Sinaloa, México. They had 8 children, all born at Sinaloa, México. José was a soldado de cuera of the 1769 Portolá Expedition, after which he returned to Loreto and sent for his family in Sinaloa. He returned to San Diego September 1774 with Serafina and seven children.

On p. 210, I find an apparent brother of Serafina, Francisco Salvador de Lugo (born about 1740 at Villa de Sinaloa, Sinaloa, México of Juan Salvador and María Josefa Francisca Espinosa). On p. 161, I find an apparent sister of Serafina, Petra Joaquina Alcantara Lugo (born about 1756 at Villa de Sinaloa to Salvador Lugo and María Josefa Francisca Espinosa). 

In Vol. II, p. 25, I find another apparent sister, María Gertrudis Lugo (born about 1752-56 at Villa de Sinaloa of Juan Salvador Lugo and Josefa Francisca Espinosa). Then on p. 152 is another apparent brother, José Manuel Ygnacio Lugo (born about 1761 at Villa de Sinaloa of Juan Salvador Lugo and María Josefa Francisca Espinosa). Finally, on p. 265 is another apparent sister, María Pascuala Lugo (born about 1750 at Villa de Sinaloa of Salvador de Lugo and María Josefa Francisca Espinosa). [Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 119 - 19 February 2003

I am looking for information on my grandmother (mother of Maria Tilly Salas [Ayala]), Dolores Castillo, also known as LeybaLeiva, or Ybarra. She was born in California in 1867. According to my grandmother, her mother and her mother's parents were all from California and so were their parents. All I know is that Dolores was  my great grandmother and that she married Domingo Salas in 1881 in Los Angeles, Calif. [Jim Garcia (nonmember), Canoga Park, Calif.]

Pregunta 118 - 19 February 2003

I am wondering where I might be able to locate information on the German/Herman family descended from the Isidro German. [Shawn Patrick (nonmember), San José, Calif.]

UPDATE Pregunta 118 - 14 December 2005

I have some specific questions regarding Respuesta 118 involving Isidro German.  Benita H. Gray gave a great response but I wanted to know where I might be able to get further information.  She mentions that Isidro arrived at San Gabriel on 18 August 1781 and at Santa Barbara in 1790.  I have also seen rosters for Santa Barbara, some listing him as present and the others listing him as a deserter.  Is there a document I can locate stating that he was stationed at San Gabriel instead of Santa Barbara?  Do you have any information on this time gap or his AWOL status?  If anyone is interested, I have come across some information that I have just begun to look into, indicating that Isidro may have left his post to rescue/ransom his wife, Manuela Ochoa, who had been captured by the Yumas during the uprising of 1781.  Thank you [Shawn (nonmember) shawn_patrick@ycos.com, San José, Calif.]]

Respuesta a Pregunta 118 - 19 February 2003

The following information is from Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850, Vol. I, pp. 165-166.
Isidro (José) German
(born about 1755 at El Fuerte, Sonora, México; died 28 May 1829; buried 29 May 1829 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey) married about 1780 María Manuela Ochoa (born about 1764 at Alamos, Sonora, México; buried 3 February 1838 at Mission San Juan Bautista). Their 10 children were: 
1. Juan [Francisco] (born about 1781 at San Gabriel; married 15 May 1802 María Rafaela Serrano at Mission San Diego; buried 29 April 1826 at Mission San Diego)
2. María Manuela Antonia (born 1 August 1784; baptized 9 August 1784 at Mission Santa Barbara; married 21 January 1805 Pablo José Franco at Mission San Gabriel; buried 24 July 1805 at Mission San Gabriel)
3. María Gertrudis (born 19 April 1786; baptized 21 April 1786 at Mission San Buenaventura; buried 11 August 1792 at Mission Santa Barbara, muchacha)
4. María Dionisis [Leonicia] (born about 1787; married 27 November 1801 Buenaventura Zuniga at Mission San Gabriel)
5. Juana Feliciano (born 8 April 1788; baptized 13 April 1788 at Mission Santa Barbara)
6. Cristobal Antonio (born 3 June 1790; baptized 4 June 1790 at Mission San Buenaventura; married 21 August 1814 María Luz Peña at Mission Santa Barbara)
7. Manuel Ygnacio Martin (baptized 10 October 1792 at Mission Santa Barbara, recien nacido; married (1) 26 January 1812 María Barbara Leyba at Mission Santa Barbara and married (2) 7 October 1824 María Felipe Ruiz at Mission San Gabriel)
8. Faustino José (baptized 15 February 1795 at Mission Santa Barbara; married 4 August 1816 Antonia María de Jesús García at Mission San Carlos de Monterey)
9. María Brigida (born 11 October 1796; baptized 13 October 1796 at Mission Santa Barbara; married 26 January 1812 Julio Vasquez at Mission Santa Barbara; buried 16 July 1846 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey)
10. Juan (baptized 15 April 1798; baptized privately at Pueblo de los angeles; recorded at Mission San Gabriel)

Isidro enlisted with Rivera for service at the new Santa Barbara Presidio. He arrived at San Gabriel 18 August 1781 and at Santa Barbara in 1790. [Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 117 - 12 February 2003

 I believe my great grandparents were both born at the Mission San Gabriel.  Their names are Victor Manzanares and Librada Quintero.  I have not been able to find any information on either one, except that I was able to find them in the 1920 and 1930 U.S. Census.  They are both buried at Mission San Gabriel.  They were both born in 1855. Victor died in 1932 and Librada in 1933.  I also believe that Librada's mother is also buried at Mission San Gabriel.  Her name on the tombstone is Rite B. De Quintero.  I haven't been able to find any information on any of these three people.  Any information will be greatly appreciated.  Thank you. [Karen (nonmember), San Diego, Calif.]

Respuesta a Respuesta (Pregunta 117) - 19 February 2003

First of all I'd like to say that I'm grateful for information that I have received so far from my queries. My biggest problem is that I haven't been able to find any information regarding Ygnacio Manzanares and Teodora Alguina.  The only information I have is what is recorded in the marriage of Cristobal Manzanares and Inocencia Alvitre.  I am also still searching for information regarding Gregorio Ruiz and Rosa Frasquito.  I know that they were residents of the Whittier, Calif. area. [Karen (nonmember), San Diego, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 117 - 12 February 2003

Thomas Temple's San Gabriel Bats IV does not have a Librada Quintero born in 1855. It does have Maria Mauricia Librada Quintero, entry #9904, baptized 25 September 1859 (age 3 days), daughter of Julian Quintero and Rita Bermudez.

Thomas Temple's San Gabriel Bats IV also has Victor Cresencio Manzanares, entry #9465, baptized 28 July 1855 at L.A. (age 43 days), son of Cristobal Manzanares and Incoencia Alviture

Thomas Temple's San Gabriel Mats II has, on 16 August 1854, Cristobal Manzanarez  (age 30, of Abiqu- iu, Nuevo Mexico, son of Ygnacio Manzanarez and Teodora Alguina) marrying Maria Inocencia Alvitre (age 20, of la Mision Vieja, daughter of Jose Claudio Alvitre and Maria Asencion Valenzuela). 

Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850, Vol. I, pp. 28-29 has Maria Inocencia Alvitre being born 28 December 1832 (baptized 31 December 1832 at Mission San Gabriel) as the second child of Jose Claudio Alvitre (baptized 7 April 1811 at Mission San Gabriel; died 28 April 1861; buried 29 April 1861 at Mission San Gabriel; son of Felipe Sebastian Alvitre and Maria Rufina Hernandez) and Maria de la Asuncion Valenzuela (baptized 28 May 1808 at Mission San Gabriel; died 27 April 1861; buried 29 April 1861 at Mission San Gabriel; daughter of Jose Maria Valenzuela and Maria de Jesus Rodriguez). Maria de la Asuncion was "killed by her enraged husband at Mission Vieja -- the site of the original Mission San Gabriel." He was "Hanged by an El Monte vigilante committee after receiving the last sacraments for the assassination of his wife." They had had 14 children between 1831 and 1851.

Pregunta 116 - 3 February 2003

My great grandmother was Jesus Castro de Montijo. I have photos of her headstone, and have visited Calvary Catholic Cemetery and mausoleum several times in my life. My question is this: In the family plot  there are  many relatives, with the names  Alvarez, Ybarra, Valenzuela, etc, and they are all relatives. The one's who trouble me because I can find little information on them are Ramon Castro (born 1816, died 1924) and Micila [sp.?] Castro (born 1836, died 1916).

I am desperately seeking Jesus' father and mother's names. Ramon was born in San Juan Bautista; no information for Michaela. To make it all worse, the only information I have for Jesus is that she was born in January 1861 or 1851. How can  I approach this problem of my Castro side? [Andrea Relf (not yet member), Las Vegas, Nev.]

Pregunta 115 - 29 January 2003

I am looking for any information regarding my great grandparents and so on.  Their names are Gregorio Ruiz and Rosa Frasquito.  They lived in the Whittier area for many years, but I haven't been able to find any information at all.  My great great grandparents are José María Ruiz and Ramona Navarro. I have no idea as to where they were from. I am also searching for any information regarding the Alvitre name.  My ancestry has been traced back to Felipe Sebastian Alvitre, however, I am not able to trace back any further.  It has been said that it's possible that maybe his father came from Spain with Gaspar de Portolá, that name possibly being Juan Selite Sebastian Alvitre. [Karen (nonmember), San Diego, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 115 - 29 January 2003

Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850, Vol. I, pp. 24-25 has Felipe (born about 1750 at Villa de Sinaloa, Sinaloa, México) married about 1795 at Loreto Presidio, Baja California, México to María Rufina Hernandez (born about 1750 at Loreto). They had nine children. Felipe was a soldado de cuera of the 1769 Portolá Expedition; settled at San José de Guadalupe in 1783; was at Pueblo de Los Angeles in 1790; and was buried 22 February 1817 at Mission San Gabriel. [Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 115 - 29 January 2003

Hubert Howe Bancroft, The History of California, Pioneer Register and Index,
page 8: Alvitre, Sebastian, soldier. 1 [indicating he came with the earliest pioneers who came in 1769-73]
page 36: Alvitre (Sebastian), settler and incorrigible scamp at San Jose in 1783 and Los Angeles fr 1790. i. 350, 460-1, 477, 484, 640.

Respuesta a Respuesta -- 12 February 2003

Sebastiano Alvitre is my grandfather. My consultations with a Spanish historian (from the Getty) revealed that Alvitre's were Basque/Catalonian/Jews. There are a number of Alvitre's in the Basque Provinces. My grandfather was rough around the edges, probably the same personality as the administrators that dominated California at that time, but because he did not have the economic/social status...he was branded as a "incorrigible scamp" by Bancroft. Keep in mind that even Fages had his illicit affairs with young (very young) Indian women.  [Cindi Alvitre (nonmember), Los Angeles, Calif.] Note: perhaps your characterization of Bancroft's comment is the correct one, but, personally, I took quite a different meaning. To my thinking and another meaning from my dictionaries, an incorrigible scamp is an unruly rascal. Originally a scamp was one who did not pay his debts. So, perhaps, we cannot truly know what Bancroft had in mind. I would also comment that the Spanish women were also married very young as were some of my other European ancestors of that time period. Illicit affairs with girls/women of any age are another matter. La Tejedora
Dorothy Gittinger Mutnick, Div One, Vol I. Entry #90: Alvitre y Hernandez
This entry lists the children of Felipe Sebastian Alvitre and Maria Rufina Hernandez, along with baptism dates, marriages, and spouse information.
 
I also found a baptismal record in the San Gabriel Bats, I, 20 October 1786, Entry #1350 (Thomas W Temple, II abstracts) for an hijo espurio child of Sebastian Alvitre, poblador del Pueblo de San Jose de Guadalupe, and Maria Gertrudis Pelaguia, india de Mision de Santa Clara. [Sheila Ruiz Harrell (member and Los Californianos Genealogist), Modesto, Calif.]

Pregunta 114 - 29 January 2003

I am looking for some missing links. My grandmother, Josefina López, was born in Castaic in 1878 to  Eloise (sp?) Salasar (or Salazar) and Joseph López. Her grandmother was Jacoba Feliz, who apparently married a Salazar after the death of her first husband (del Valle) I can find a lot of information on the Feliz side, but nothing on the Salazar or López families, nor on my grandfather's side. His name was Albino Romero (married in  1893?). [Lynn Adams (provisional member), Escondido, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 114 - 15 March 2008

:I am part of the Lopez family you are looking for. Your grandmother Josefina ( we called her Aunt Josie) She was My father's  sister. My father's name was Antonio Salazar Lopez. She also  had a sister here, Arcadia Barker. A sister Isabell stayed in California. Their father was Jose Esteban ( Eloise), their grandfather was Jose Juan  (Manuela). My Grandpa Jose  and my great grandpa Jose Juan and  my Dad's graves are in Winkelman, Arizona. Check the1880 U.S. Census for Soledad, Los Angeles, Calif. Family history Library film-1254067 NA film #t9-0067 Page #472B. Uncle Fred always lived with us. Found out he was not our uncle. Did you know anything about that? Did Aunt  ever say anything  about this? Hope to hear from you .  [Isabelle Lopez Sosa (nonmember), Phoenix, Ariz.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 114 - 14 June 2007

The names mentioned in { pregunta 114 ] seemed very familiar. I had a aunt Josie who had married a Albino Romero and later married a Leroy. She was the daughter of Jose E. Lopez and Eloisa. She had a sister named Arcardia Ysabel Josepha and a brother Antonio. They all were born in Castaic. Jose E. Lopez' father was Jose Juan and his wife was Manuela. Jacoba was their grandmother. I hope I have helped. Aunt Josie, as we called her, had a son Alfred and a daughter Everista. There was another son, but I can not recall his name at this time. [Isabelle Lopez-Sosa (nonmember), Phoenix, Ariz.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 114 - 29 January 2003

Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850, Vol. II, pp. 306-307 has María Jacoba Feliz (baptized 25 July 1820 at Mission San Fernando, daughter of José Tomás Feliz and María de Jesus López) marrying, as second husband, Luis Salazar 24 June 1844 at Mission San Fernando. She was previously the third wife of Antonio del ValleVol. I, pp. 144-46 has more information about José Tomás and his family. [Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 113 - 29 January 2003

I am looking for information and family. My great grandmother was Louse Marie (Forquera) Estrada and María Estafina Apablasa was my great great grandmother. My grandfather was Sandido Leyva whose family came to Santa Barbara in the late 1700s from México. Any help would be appreciated. [Kathy Daniels (nonmember), Camo Connell, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 113 - 22 February 2003

Sandido Leyva was Sandalario Luis Leyva, born 30 September 1894, baptized 01 July 1898, Our Lady of Sorrows, Santa Barbara, Calif. He was the son of Jose Ramon Ysidoro Leyba and Elvira Gutierrez who were both natives of Santa Barbara, both being baptized at Our Lady of Sorrows Church. Ramon Leyba was the son of Francisco Antonio Leyba and Vicente Cordero, both natives of Santa Barbara. Francisco's parents were Juan Jose Leyba and Maria Gertrudis Estanisloa Feliz, he a native of Sinaloa, México and she a native of Santa Barbara. The parents of Vicente Cordero were Mariano Cordero of México and Maria Gertrudis Alvarez, a native of San Diego. Elvira Gutierrez was the daughter of Jose Guadalupe Gutierrez and Refugio Ortega.

Sandalario [Sandido] Leyva married Carmen Estrada, daughter of Manuel Castro Estrada and Louisa Marie Forquero. Louisa Forquero was the daughter of Joseph Forquero, native of Chile, and of Maria Estafina Apablasa, native of Los Angeles. A side note...Manuel Castro Estrada had first been married to Florencia Enriquez, MY great grandmother! Small world. [Sheila Ruiz Harrell (member and Los Californianos Genealogist), Modesto, Calif.]

Pregunta 112 - 27 January 2003

Does anyone know the names of 28 people buried in unmarked graves in the Santa Rita Cemetery north of Salinas in Monterey County, Calif.? Several tombstones are intact and that part of the Cemetery has been recorded.  It is the unknown group of 28 people who are buried in graves that have lost their markers who are unknown. [Helen Collins (member), San José, Calif.] 

Pregunta 111 - 3 January 2003

Looking for relatives of TIBURCIO VASQUEZ and JOAQUIN MURRIETA!!!  I am doing a story on both these men for KGO-TV news.  Please contact Lyanne Melendez (415) 954-7489 Please note that this is not a Los Californianos project. Ms. Melendez request is being published only as a courtesy and not as an endorsement. La Tejedora

Respuesta a Pregunta 111 - 29 January 2003

Joaquin Murieta: see The Robin Hood of Eldorado by Walter Noble Burns, 1932; also The Life and Adventures of Joaquin Murieta by YELLOW BIRD [John Rollin Ridge], 1955.
Tiburcio Vasquez: see Marie Northrop, Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California 1769-1850, Vols. I & II for descendant lines. [Jimmie Hardy (member), Winston, Ore.]

Pregunta 110 - 3 January 2003

 I can find information about the soldado de cuera, José Verdugo, in Alta California, but need information about him in Loreto, México, regarding his origins. [Jose Maria de la Luz Verdugo (not yet member), Ridgecrest, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 110 - 29 January 2003

Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California, 1769-1850, Vol. II, pp. 318-19
has José María Verdugo, born about 1751 at Loreto, Baja California, México. He was the son of Juan Diego Verdugo and María Ygnacia de la Concepcion Carrillo. José María married María de la Encarnación López 7 November 1779 at Mission San Gabriel. They had 11 children (Vol. I,  pp. 352-53). The parents of Juan Diego Verdugo are Blas Verdugo and María Micaela de los Rios. The parents of Maria Y. de la C. Carrillo are Juan Carrillo and Lucia Efigenia Millan (Millar) (see also Vol. I, pp. 101-102.

There is much information on José María Verdugo in Bancroft's History of California, Vol. I-V. Also there is mention of the Verdugo name in Bancroft's History of Mexico. A Verdugo mentioned here was an archbishop and another came to Mexico with Cortéz.

In Ranchos of California, by R. G. Cowan, there is the listing of the Rancho of San Rafael, (or) La Zanja, in Los Angeles County between Arroyo Seco and Los Angeles River, including Glendale, Eagle Rock and eastern part of Burbank, which was granted to José María Verdugo by Governor Pedro Fages, 20 October 1784. This Rancho consisted of 36,403 acres and was patented 28 January 1882. This was the second of the Spanish land concessions, preceded by San Pedro. Also, there is mention of the Rancho Feliz, Los Angeles (approximate center at Vermont Ave. and Los Feliz Blvd.),  1.5 leagues granted to Vincent Felix in 1802. Juan Diego Verdugo was claimant for 6647 acres, patented 18 April 1871. Also, the Rancho Portezuela, Los Angeles County at Universal City, was granted to Mariano de la Luz Verdugo in 1795. It was abandoned about 1810.  Hope this helps some. [Jimmie Hardy (member), Winston, Ore.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 110 - 3 January 2003

Marie E. Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850, Vol. I, pp. 352-53 has a Jose Maria Verdugo born about 1751 in Loreto, Baja California, México of Juan Diego Verdugo and Maria Ygnacia Carrillo. He is "First mentioned as a soldier at Monterey on 13 July 1772. . ."

 

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