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Latest Update: 7 November 2007

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Pregunta 170 - 10 December 2003

YES, HI -- all of this is very interesting to me. My ancestors also settled in California, then moved to Arizona by wagon train in the 1800s. Their last names were: Moyza, Robles, Bonilla, Valenzuela [Moyza Gastelum (nonmember), Heber, Calif.] Anyone have information on these families that left Alta California early on? La Tejedora

Pregunta 169 - 14 November 2003

My name is Brad Borland of Oxnard, Calif. Do you have any family tree history or information that could confirm my family's claim of being related to Juan Bautista de Anza. My Grandmother [Patricia Dennis Borland of Grass Valley] was very proud of the history and often talked about parades in the Riverside area celebrating Anza. She gave me a commemorative medallion some years ago highlighting the Golden Gate Expedition. Any information you could share would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards,

[I received] a response from Meredith Kaplan, Superintendent, Juan Bautista de Anza National Historic Trail regarding my question. [This response indicated to Mr. Borland that de Anza had no children, but it would be possible he could be descended from Juan Bautista de Anza's brother's children who de Anza raised after his brother's death.] [Brad Borland (nonmember), Oxnard, Calif.]

Pregunta 168 - 14 November 2003

I am helping a friend search for her ancestors Jose Lugo and Narcissa Geneve. We just found them in the 1870 Watsonville Census and now know that they were married in San Jose, Calif. We estimate that Jose Jesus Lugo was born in about 1842 and Narcissa Geneve [born about 1850-53 and daughter of Alexander Geneve and Juana Chaboya (born 1835). I would like to know if someone has done work on these line? I guess Jose Jesus Lugo would definitely be before 1848.

I also was working on another line, Jose Rios, who I believe is Jose Santiago Sabino Rios (San Diego Mission) who was married to Maria Ysabel Uribes (San Gabriel). Their children were: Jose Francisco (San Francisco), Venancio (San Gabriel) , Maria Manuela (San Juan Capistrano Mission). Has anyone done more on these lines or is there a book I can search thru. Thank you for your time and caring. [Patsy Castro de Ludwig (nonmember)]

Respuesta a Más Pregunta 168 - 27 October 2005

Jose Jesus Lugo and Narcissa had 5 children: Maria, Thomas, Reyes, Jose Jesus, and Daniela. [Terry Reynaga [nonmember], Gilroy, Calif.]

Más Preguntas acerca de Pregunta 168 - 11 October 2005

Did Jose Jesus Lugo and Narcissa have any children? if so, do you have any information on them? thanks Cruz. [Cruzita Stewart (nonmember), Bakersfield, Calif.]

Pregunta a Respuesta a Pregunta 168 - 7 July 2005

Hello, re your posting of 10 December 2003 on the line of Uribes and Rios, I have that same line and we would like information about your line. What part of Mexico did they come from and when? Thanks, ol_coach@cox.net [R. S. Ortiz (nonmember), Valley Center, Kans.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 168 - 10 December 2003

14 November 2003 María Ysabel Uribes was baptized 11 May 1810 at Mission San Gabriel and married to José Santiago Sabino Rios on 11 January 1822 at Mission San Gabriel. She was buried on 13 July 1859 at Los Angeles Plaza Church. Her parents were Tomás Casimiro Uribes (father) and María Antonia Marcela Cota (mother). She had 6 brothers and sisters who are all listed in Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850, vol. II, pp. 289-290. [Richard (nonmember), Guerneville, Calif.]

José Santiago Sabino Rios was born 31 December 1802; baptized January 1803 at Mission San Diego. His parents were Juan Feliciano Rios (father) and María Catalina Romero (Garcia) (mother). His children by María Ysabel Uribes were María de Jesus Rios, José Francisco Rios, Venancio Rios, María Juana Ursula Rios, and María del Refugio Rios. Children records of birth and marriages are all listed in Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California 1769-1850, vol. II, pp. 228-229. José Santiago Sabino Rios was Juez de Paz at San Juan Capistrano in 1842-43.

Pregunta 167 - 14 November 2003

There is a rumor that one of the Bernal brothers wrote a letter to Washington which resulted in Fremont's adventure in California. I heard [this] stated directly from one of your late members, one Herbert L. Hagemann Jr. My questions are: one, [is it] true? and two: is there any documentation of [it] online? [Christian Holm (nonmember), Livermore, CA]

Respuesta a Pregunta 167 - 10 December 2003

You may try looking on line here, http://members.aol.com/bernal411/genealogy.html
or http://members.aol.com/bernal411/index.html or e-mail Bernal411@aol.com [Teresa Russell y Espinosa de Boronda (nonmember), Long Beach, Calif.]

Pregunta 166 - 14 November 2003

Do you happen to have any other information about Don Esteban Munras?????? [Maria Herrera (nonmember), Seaside, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 166 - 23 June 2004

Just thought I would post my new email address for anyone interested in more information about Esteban Carlos Munras. Also, I misstated my degree of descent . Esteban Carlos Munras was my great great great grandfather.
[Engracia Munras Dougherty (provisional), Sandy, Utah]

Respuesta a Pregunta 166 - 7 March 2004

Dear Maria Herrera-
I am a 7th great granddaughter of Carol Esteban Munras. My brother and I still maintain possession of a small number of acres of Rancho San Vincente, originally owned by Don Esteban. I have a fair amount of information about this family, and if you would like, you may email me and I will send you what I have. I just stumbled across this Web site, and it is very interesting to me. I plan on becoming a member. Soooo, please email me and we'll share information. edough@xmission.com Sincerely, Engracia Dougherty [Maria-Engracia Munras Dougherty (not yet), Sandy, Utah]

Pregunta 165 - 31 October 2003

I am searching for a record of Julian Estrada's mother and father - all from Monterey. Julian was grantee of the Santa Rosa Rancho, San Luis Obispo County. Thank you for any information you may have. [Maureen Macmahon (not yet member), San Luis Obispo, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 165 - 31 October 2003

Thomas W. Temple Mission Abstract, 1972 Version:
2938) Jan 29- RC- Jose Julian Antonio Estrada, 1 d. nacio a las 12 dela tarde; h.l. del Alferez Don Mariano y Dna. Isabel Arguello; Luis Arguello, Thente. del R1.Presidio de San Franco., padrino. Amoros

Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California 1769-1850, Vol. II, pp. 77-78 has Julian's parents as Jose Mariano Estrada [born about 1784 in Loreto, Baja California of Jose Maria Estrada and Maria Ysabel Ruiz] and Maria Ysabel Marcela Arguello [born 1 July 1789; baptized 2 July 1789 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey of Jose Dario Arguello and Maria Ygnacia Moraga; buried 20 January 1835 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey]. Mariano and Ysabel were married 10 February 1807 at Santa Barbara Presidio. They had 10 children with Julian being the sixth. Mariano enlisted in 1797 and came to California in 1806. He was alfaez at Monterey 1806-1818; brevet lieutenant 1818; lieutenant 1824; grantee of Buenavista ranchos 1822-23; retired in 1829.

Pregunta 164 - 27 October 2003

I'd like to make an inquiry regarding a marriage between Victor Manzanares and Cruz Bermudez (Maria de la Cruz Bermudez). I have recently found some information stating that they had been married, however, I have no proof. Also they had a daughter by the name of Cresencia Rafaela Manzanares. I'd appreciate any information that you might have regarding any of the above mentioned people. Thank you [Karen (nonmember), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 163 - 27 October 2003

About 2 years ago at Orange County Fair I was given this name to contact for information on the San Diego area. My great great grandmother was born there in 1836. We don't have a date, but she came from a rich cattle farming family with the last name of Saez. She was Native American and her descendants didn't want to claim that they were so they said they were Spanish or Mexican. Her name we think was Vantaria. she married a man name Jose Mogart. He came from Valencia, Spain. He was born in 1813. I don't know when he arrived here in the U.S., but he came by Cape Horn and ended up in San Diego. Vantaria and Jose raised a family there until someone tried to take their land away. They had 4 boys and 2 girls. One of the girls, named Madalena Mogart is my great grandmother. Her brothers' names were Jose, Juan, Manuel, and Domingo Mogart. They moved up to what is now Orange County. At that time it was Anaheim Landing or Bolsa Chica in Los Angeles County. Vantaria and Jose are both buried in Anaheim Cemetery in Anaheim, Calif. I am trying to find Vantaria's parents' names. On my great grandmother's death certificate it says mother not known and birth area not known. Please, please help me find some leads. Thank you for reading this e-mail and taking the time. Sincerely [Irene Courreges Lindsay (nonmember), from ?]

Respuesta a Pregunta 163 - 13 June 2004

In the vital records of Ensenada, Baja California, compiled by Pablo L. Martinez in Historia Familiar de Baja California, are the following:
José Mogor or Mogort, a naturalized Mexican citizen, was registered on 16 November 1861 at La Grulla, Baja California Norte. He was age 48, a rancher and unmarried.
Maria Isabel Mogor was born 15 January 1862, at Tecate, registered in San Vicente, 30 January 1862, daughter of José Mogor and Candelaria Tállez, "gentila".
Given the handwriting in some of the records, it may well be that Candelaria ended up as Vantaria, and Sáez as Tállez!

"Gentila" means Indian. Very often during the mission period, the colonists acted as godparents when the native inhabitants were baptized. This may have been the case with Candelaria. There was a Sáez or Saenz family in the area. Martinez has a few records on them, if you're interested I can send you what I have. [Rondi Frankel (nonmember), Mexico City, D.F.]

Pregunta 162 - 16 October 2003

I am looking for information on direct-line ancestors (on my real father's side, Alfredo Bandini Johnson; Jose Maria de Ortega, his father Jose Francisco de Ortega, and Jose Francisco de Ortega's father. I am also looking for information on the parents of another direct-line ancestor Dario Arguello (father of Santiago Arguello). Thank you very much! [Captain Alfred S. McLaren (member), New York, N.Y.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 162 - 7 November 2007

I was reading over these questions looking for information on the Ortega family. My son is a descendent of the Ortega family on his father's side. I have heard some of the family history from his Godmother, but would love to know what you have. My son's grandmother's name was Dolores Ortega, she was one of ten children from her mother Stella and father Luis? It was said that when he went off to war, his brother told her that Luis had died at war and the brother (known as Chief) got together with Stella. There were also 13 stepbrothers and stepsisters from Dolores' father's side from his second wife. Some of the names of those children were, Alicia, Lorraine, Butch, David, and so on. Or maybe it was Dolores was one of thirteen children and there were ten step? Anyway Dolores Ortega married Raul Martinez and had 4 children Stella , John , Martin, and Andrew (who died shortly after birth). The family resides in Oxnard California today along with a lot of other Ortega descendants. Please feel free to e-mail me PEPSILUV2000@YAHOO.COM, any questions you my have and what family history you have. I would love to have it for my son, so he can know where he came from and all of his family's history.Thank You [Valynda Barra -- Mother of Andrew Barra, son of Martin Martinez, son of Dolores Ortega (nonmember), Oxnard, Calif]

Respuesta a Pregunta 162 - 3 May 2004

I am a direct descendent of Jose Maria de Ortega and have a fairly accurate history of the family dating back to Mexico from the present date. If you would like this information shared with you, feel free to email me OLIVERFLINT@PRODIGY.NET and I will be more than happy to share this with you. [Betsy Oliver (nonmember), Gridley, Calif.]

Pregunta 161 - 16 October 2003

I am looking for children or spouse of Tiburcio Vasquez born 1835/died March 19,1875. [Vasquez (nonmember), Calif.]

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