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Pregunta 210 - 17 October 2004

I am searching for Emmanuela/Manuela Gonzales born in 1829, found in 1860 Los Angeles City Federal census with Maria de A  12, Onarato 9, Felipa Oriola 12, Francisco Morales 2, and Doroteo Garcia 62 (born Mexico). Then found again (assuming the same person) in 1880 with Ramon Lopez 39, wife Angelita 30, son Pedro 3, son Gustavo 1, Clorinda Gonzales 14, and Manuela 50 (both parents born in California). Also found at St. Joseph Cathedral at the marriage of Clorinda Ducommun (her daughter with Charles L. Ducommun of L.A.) and Pedro Carriaga, witnesses Anastacio Moreno and Maria del Carmen.

I am also searching for Maria Guadalupe or Guadalupe Flores found in marriage record at St. Joseph Cathedral for Pedro Carriaga and Clorinda Ducommun with Cirilli/Cerilli/Cevilli (Latin for Severo? can't figure that one out) Carriaga. Witnesses were Canuto Azebos and Paula D'Avila

Godparents for the children of this union (and for Pedro's first marriage to Francisca Avila) were (in Latin) Pamphyla Valdenebro, Cecilia Avila, Anreas Lopez, Gertrde Palomares, Nomualdrey Velazquez, Arcadia Alvarez, Josepha Castano, Antonino Sanchez, Angel Barolome, Apollinaria Corales.  MUCHAS GRACIAS! [Eric Carriaga Lucero (nonmember), Oakland, Calif.]

UPDATE - 16 September 2005

Just an update and inclusion of e-mail! I am also researching Manuela Gonzales Carriaga [born 1830], Francisco Avila of San Jose [late 1700s] and San Gabriel, Maria Guadalupe Flores. lafuelgara@yahoo.com  Thanks! [Eric Carriaga Lucero (nonmember), Oakland, Calif.] Note: Please share your information with this Web site as others will be interested. La Tejedora

Pregunta 209 - 16 October 2004

Need help, searching for birth record and family of Francisco Avila found in Gilroy, Calif.  in 1870; born in California in 1829. Is he a son of the Los Angeles, Monterey, or Santa Clara Avila family? He was married to Ascension, age 38. Their children were Francisca, Solomon, Teodora, Cecilia, Domingo/a, Bettina, Louisa, Salvador. Francisca was married at the time to Pedro Carriaga and their daughter, Pabla, is also listed. Any information is greatly appreciated. I am also interested in finding Francisco Xavier Avila, 16 years old in 1790 census, son of Francisco Avila of the 1769 Portola expedition. MUCHAS GRACIAS for any information! [Eric Carriaga Lucero (nonmember), Oakland, Calif.] 

Pregunta 208 - 8 October 2004

Searching for Ana Gertrudis Rudecinda Arguello (daughter of Don Jose Dario Arguello and  Doña Maria Ignacia Moraga) born 1784 at Mission Dolores, San Francisco; married Pedro Pablo de Canizares in 1803 in San Francisco or Monterey. They had a son, Luis Canizares born about 1804 in Sahuaripa, Mex.; died in La Trinidad, Mex. Luis married Gregoria Campa in 1842. Their children:
    1. Concepcion, born in 1859 in La Trinidad, Mex.
    2. Lupe 
    3. Lorenza 
    4. Refugio 
    5. Mercedes 
I have extensive research of my great grandparents, Concepcion Canizares (1859-1932) and Alfred Churchill Hamilton (1850-1907) down to the present...what I need is information of Luis Canizares, Gregoria Campa, Pedro Canizares, and Ana Arguello....anyone? Appreciatively, [Betty (Hamilton) Marker (not yet member), Shoreline, Wash.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 208 - 3 June 2006

I have information about Ana Gertrudes Rudesinda Arguello for Betty Hamilton Marker. I can be reached at viewfinderp@comcast.net. The above spelling of Ana's name is correct; I have here in front of me a copy of her birth certificate from the Bancroft library, and this is the way her name was entered on the baptismal record 5 March 1788.

Respuesta a Pregunta 208 - 15 May 2006

Ana Gertrudis Arguello, esposa del capitán José María Mata, tenía dos hijos de su primer esposo al casarse con él; Luis y Concepción Cañizares. Ana Gertrudis y José María Mata tuvieron una hija que murió de "muerte violenta" (asesinada) a principios de 1821. Desconozco si tuvieron más hijos. En 1828, José María Mata abandonó a Ana Gertrudis, quien lo demandó judicialmente y logró que se le otorgara una pensión para ella y sus hijos. Por este motivo los hijos de su primer matrimonio, Luis y Concepción Cañizares cobraban en su representación la pensión otorgada por las autoridades. [Estela Davis (nonmember), La Paz, Baja California Sur, México]

Rough translation by La Tejedora: Ana Gertrudis Arguello, wife of Captain José María Mata had two children by her first husband: Luis and Concepción Cañizares. Ana Gertrudis and José María Mata had a daughter who died a "violent death" (murdered) at the beginning of 1821. I do not know if they had more children. In 1828, José María Mata abandoned (left) Ana Gertrudis, who sued judicially (? judicialmente not in my dictionary) and got an allowance awarded for herself and her children. This is the reason the children of her first marriage, Luis and Concepción Cañizares got through/by her representation (? not sure of translation) the allowance awarded by the authorities.

Respuesta a Pregunta 208 - 25 September 2005

I am responding to pregunta #208 for Betty Hamilton Marker. I tried to reach you a couple of years ago via email, but everything bounced back. I am glad to see you continue to pursue your search for your relative, Ana Gertrudes Rudecinda Arguello. [Heidi Price (nonmember), Oakland, Calif.]

Pregunta por Respuesta de 1 May 2005 - 25 September 2005

Ok I am really confused with the response posted to #208 on 1 May 2005. There it states that Ana Gertrudis Arguello was abandoned by Jose Maria Mata, her second husband, in 1828, that the two children were awarded a dispensation from the military.

Yet in Northrop it shows that her first marriage to Pablo Canizares was in 1803. Now I have found at  Genealogy.com and family tree #133/27 that apparently Pablo was the father of the child Luis. It also shows at the family tree that Luis was born in 1820, before the death of Pablo. It also shows there that Pablo apparently died in 1823.

My confusion is, were the children of Ana awarded the dispensation because of the death of Pablo, a military man, or because of the abandonment by Jose Mata? [Jimmie Hardy (member), Winston, Ore.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 208 - 23 June 2005

Thank you Estela Davis, for your information. I've not been able to trace Ana Gertrudis Arguello - this probably being because of name change to Mata. Are you sure Luis and Concepcion (Ana's children) are Jose Maria Mata's children and not Pedro Pablo de Canizares? Are the Historical Archives of Southern Baja California on-line? [Betty Marker (not yet member), Shoreline, Wash.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 208 - 1 May 2005

Soy escritora y ahora estoy escribiendo sobre la familia Argüello o relacionado con ella, en este caso sobre José María Mata, militar, segundo esposo de Ana Gertrudis Argüello, quien fue abandonada por su segundo esposo en el año de 1828 en el pueblo de Guaymas, México. Durante mucho tiempo sus hijos Luis y Concepción acudieron en su nombre a cobrar la pensión correspondiente. En el archivo histórico de Baja California Sur, en La Paz, puede encontrar mucha información respecto a esta familia. Esta es en respuesta a la pregunta Núm. 208. [Estela Davis (nonmember), La Paz, B.C.S., México] Note: Rough translation, I hope, is that Ana Gertrudis Argüello was abandoned by her second spouse, José María Mata, a military man, in 1828 in Guaymas, México. For a long time, their children, Luis and Concepción, received something equivalent to a pension[?]. There is a great deal of information about this family in the Historical Archives of Southern Baja California, in La Paz. La Tejedora

Respuesta a Pregunta 209 - 8 October 2004

Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850, vol. I, pp. 46-47 gives the following information:

Joseph Dario Arguello [born about 1753 at Queretaro, Mex.; died about 1827-28 at Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mex.] married Maria Ygnacia Moraga [born about 1760 at El Altar, Sonora, Mex.; buried 13 April 1829 at Guadalajara]. They had 13 children between 1782 and 1801. Their fourth child was Ana Gertrudis Rudecinda Arguello [born 30 April 1788; baptized 5 March 1788 at Mission Dolores]. She married Pedro Pablo de Canizares on the 12 September 1803 at Mission Dolores. Maria Ygnacia Moraga was the niece of Jose Joaquin Moraga, founder of the San Francisco Presidio. Joseph Dario Arguello was the founder of the Arguello family in Alta California. He arrived at San Gabriel 14 July 1781; Mexican alferez, later lieutenant and captain; comandante at San Francisco, Monterey, and Santa Barbara; acting governor of Alta California in 1814-15; governor of Baja California in 1815-22. [Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 208A- 8 October 2004

I descend from Maria Martina Vasquez (born 1814). Her parents were Jose Felipe Vasquez and Maria Nicanora Lugo. Might you know if either are of the Vasquez or Lugo Native American tribes I have read about? Do you have Nicanora's parents, family information? Maria Martina married Gregorio Tapia, my great, great, great grandfather. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  [Marta Melendez (nonmember), Ventura, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 208A - 18 October 2004

Jimmie Hardy, a Los Californianos member, has information for you and would like to get in touch. He can be reached at estradahardy@direcway.com

Pregunta 207 - 1 October 2004

Señor y Señoras, I am looking for pictures of the Arellanes family. I have one of Jose Teodoro, but I need one of his brother Jose Regino. I have Teodoro's three daughters and his son, Luis Gonzaga. I would be willing to make copies if someone has a need for mine. Gracias in advance. Regards, Jim [James T. Larson (member), Paso Robles, Calif.]

Pregunta 206 - 23 September 2004

I would like any information anyone has regarding Thomas Russell married to Maria De Los Angeles Ybarra [baptized 4 October 1812 at Mission San Gabriel]  on 13 December 1836 in San Diego, Calif. Her parents were Andres Ybarra [born December 1788, San Juan Capistrano, Calif.] and Francisco Juana Maria Moreno [baptized 11 August 1790, San Gabriel, Calif.]  [Nancy Lehnhardt (nonmember), Oxnard, Calif.]

Pregunta 205 - 22 September 2004

I know that my grandfather is Ygnacio Uges and his mother was Antonia Maria Manuela (Conception) Cota [born Monterey, Calif. 18??; died 1905 Tucson, Ariz. Her parents were Manuel Antonio Cota and Maria Josepha Boronda. He was born 1779 at Mission San Antonio, Monterey. He died 1826. He was the son of Pablo Antonio de Cota and Rosa Maria Lugo. I have no information on the father of Ygnacio. Conception is listed in 1864 census as Amarias. Any more information appreciated. [April Holecek (nonmember), San Bernardino, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 205 - 22 September 2004

According to Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California 1769-1850, Vol. I, pp. 115-16: Maria Manuela Concepcion Antonia Cota was baptized 8 December 1826 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey. She was the daughter of Manuel Antonio Cota (born 23 January 1779 of Pablo Antonio Cota and Rosa Maria Lugo; baptized 25 January 1779 at Mission San Antonio; died 23 August 1826; buried 25 August 1826 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey) and his second wife, Maria Josefa Bruna Boronda (born 8 October 1799 of Manuel Boronda and Gertrudis Higuera; baptized 10 October 1799 at Mission Santa Clara; married second 9 January 1829 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey to James Walter Burke]. Sorry, I find no information on the Uges line. [Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 204 - 22 September 2004

I wish to find a record of Fanny (or Fannie) Feliz who was said to be born in San Antonio [Mission San Antonio?], Calif.  in 1846.  Also her parents were said to be born in San Antonio.  She married a George Vance Dow, son of James Dow, a forty-niner, and gave birth to two children in the 1860s before moving to New York.  Any suggestions about where to look will be appreciated. [Wayne (nonmember), San Antonio, Tex.]

Pregunta 203 - 22 September 2004

I wrote a Ph.D. with a chapter that talks about the Lorenzana orphans who traveled from Mexico City to California 1799-1800.  I published an article on the same orphans.  But, I just got them to California. Now I would like to know what happened to them. Below, is what I believe is the marriage record of  the girls, but what else happened to them?  And the boys, I only found 4, what was their profession? I am really interested--any pictures of any of them or their children? Can you help? [Note: following information in purple is from Northrop. La Tejedora]
María de Jesús Lorenzana married Miguel Brito, an artilleryman
María Pasquala Lorenzana married [Jose] Joaquín Juárez, Presidial soldier 
    [on 12 November 1800 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey; Joaquin born 
    27 July 1782, baptized 28 July 1782 at Mission San Gabriel; vol. II, p. 132]

María Francisca Lorenzana married Juan María Hernández, Presidial soldier 
    [see Respuesta]

María Inez Lorenzana married José Palafox,  Catalonian volunteer
María Leonarda Lorenzana married Juan Alvárez,  Catalonian volunteer
Maria (Mariana) Diaz Lorenzana married Juan Joseph Sepulveda at Mission San
    Diego, was widowed and  married 2nd Jose [Ursino] Casiano Tapia  
    [see Respuesta]

Maria Tadea  Lorenzana married Jose Joaquin Botellier,
      Soldado de Cuero (Mission Santa Barbara) [see Respuesta]
Maria Vicenta Avila Perez Lorenzana married Cayetano Duarte
   
[see Respuesta]
Margarita Lorenzana married Jose Vicente Gonzalez Garibay, Soldado de Cuero,
     was widowed and married 2nd to Jose Ramirez [see Respuesta]
Maria de Jesus Valeriana Lorenzana married Jose Desiderio
María Gertrudis Lorenzana married José Truxillo,  a Catalonian volunteer
Apolinaria Lorenzana, never married?, received the Jamacha Rancho??
Jose Inocente Lorenzana married Maria Rafaela Evarista Garcia
   
[on 24 September 1839 at Mission Santa Barbara; Maria, a twin, born 25 October
    1823, baptized 26 October 1823 at Mission Santa Barbara; Vol. II, p.99]

Jacinto Lorenzana married Maria del Carmen Eustaquia Rodriguez
   
[see Respuesta]
Felipe Lorenzana married to Maria de Natividad Ruiz
   
[
Maria's second marriage; she was born 25 December 1803; baptized 26 December 1803
    at Mission San Gabriel; Vol. II, p. 257]

Vicente Lorenzana (viudo of Marian Verdugo y Buelna
    married Maria del Pilar Tapia [on 23 November 1845 at Mission San Gabriel; Maria 
    was born 4 September 1831 and baptized 8 September 1831 at Los Angeles Plaza
    Church; Vol. II, p. 283]

[Salome Hernandez (nonmember)]

Respuesta a Pregunta 203 - 5 June 2008

My records show Maria Gertrudes Lorenzana was the daughter of Felipe & Maria Nativida Lorenzana and married Alejandro Leyva in 1842 in Santa Barbara, Calif.You show Maria Gertrudes as one of many sisters; I have her as a daughter.
Can you clarify this for me? [Dan Cordero (nonmember), Santa Barbara, Calif.] [Possibly different women? La Tejedora]

Respuesta a Pregunta 203 - 11 Oct. 2006

I have Vicente Lorenzana as my ancestor. I am compiling a story on the orphans and would like to have a copy of your article.  I would be happy to pay the postage costs.
 Lorraine Moffat

Respuesta a Pregunta 203 - 22 Sept. 2004

According to Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850.

Vol. II, pp. 122-23
Juan Maria Jorge Hernandez [born about 1776 at Culiacan, Sinaloa, Mexico of Justo Lorenzo Hernandez and Ciriaca Santasima Trinidad de Leon; died before 1852] married  28 December 1800 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey to Maria Francisca Lorenzana [born about 1782 at La Cuna (orphanage), Mexico City; buried 12 November 1852 at Mission Santa Clara]. They had nine children between 1803 and 1824. Juan Hernandez was the grantee of Ojo de Agua de la Coche at Morgan Hill in 1835 and was at San Jose in 1841.

Vol. II, pp. 284-85, 328
Jose Ursino (Casiano) Tapia [born 8 August 1786 of Felipe Santiago Tapia and Juana Maria Cardenas; baptized 12 August 1786 at Mission Santa Clara; buried 6 January 1838 at Mission San Gabriel] married 6 December 1809 at Mission San Gabriel to Mariana Diaz Lorenzana [born about 1786 Mexico City]. They had six children between 1810 and 1838. Mariana was married first 20 May 1804 at Mission San Diego to Juan Jose Sepulveda. He died 16 October 1808 at San Gabriel. They had a single child  baptized 29 July 1806.

Vol. II, pp. 32-33
Jose Joaquin Botiller [born about 1786 at Loreto, Baja California, Mexico of Juan Antonio Botiller and Maria Celia Bonifacia Cota; buried 15 May 1849 at Mission Santa Barbara] married 5 November 1809 at Mission Santa Barbara to Maria Tadea Lorenzana [of Real Casa de Cuna de Mexico; died 7 March 1823 in childbirth; buried 8 March 1823 at Mission Santa Barbara]. They had seven children between 1811 and 1823.

Vol. II, pp. 68-69
Cayetano Duarte [born at Mission Todos Santos, Baja California, Mexico] married first 30 May 1800 at San Diego Presidio to Maria Vicenta Avila Perez Lorenzana [born at Mexico City, foundling of Cuna de Mexico Orphanage; buried 13 January 1824 at Mission San Juan Capistrano]. They had four children between 1802 and 1810.

Vol. II, pp. 106-107
Jose Vicente Gonzales Garibay [born about 1753 at Jacona, Obispado de Valladolid, Mexico of Pablo Gonzales and Antonia Garibay; buried 30 June 1821 at Mission San Juan Bautista] married second 20 May 1804 at Mission San Luis Obispo to Margarita Lorenzana [born at Mexico City, Mexico]. They had a single child born 18 May 1816. Jose was at Monterey in 1813. Margarita married second 28 September 1823 at Mission San Juan Bautista to Jose Ramirez.

Vol. II, pp. 151-52
Jacinto Lorenzana [born about 1794; from La Casa de Cuna de Mexico; buried 23 December 1845 at Mission Santa Barbara] married to Maria del Carmen Eustaquia Rodriguez [born 28 September 1798 of Jose Ygnacio Rodriguez and Juana Paula Parra; baptized 30 September 1798 at Mission Santa Barbara; died about 1888 at Mission Santa Barbara]. They had seven children between 1813 and1828. Jacinto came to Alta California with his brother Felipe in 1801. He was a soldier at the Presidio at Santa Barbara; sindico [trustee] at Santa Barbara 1834 and 1840.

[Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 202 - 22 September 2004

I am looking for information for my family tree. This is what I know so far-- if you have any information or can fill in any blanks please email me at mommyoftwinsX2@msn.com.  My grandfather Jack Dally was born as Jack Pena, son of Daniel Pena of Santa Ynez, Calif. My great great grandfather was Aldolfo Pena (Luiseno Indian, but part of the Chumash Indian tribe by first marriage) married to my great great grandmother, Frances Quintero. She was a great great great (I believe) granddaughter of Jose Francisco de Ortega and Maria Antonia Victoria Carrillo. I don't have the in-between information and would love to know it. So please respond if you can help. [Jennifer Keane-Dally (nonmember), Santa Barbara, Calif.] Note: If you respond to Jennifer by email, please copy your message to LaTejedora@loscalifornianos.org so we can share it on the Web site with others who may be interested. La Tejedora

Pregunta 201 - 21 September 2004

Thanks so much for a lot of help so far with other questions.   I am looking for information on the parents of Juan Maria Trujillo, born 1821, married Dolores Andrea Tapia and living in California in 1848. His father was either Ramon or Julian Trujillo, and his mother was Juliana Celaya or Zelaya. I am trying to find out any information on his parents and possible siblings and where they were from.  One of Juan's marriage records says he is from New Mexico.  Thank you. [Dawn Thompson (nonmember), Costa Mesa, Calif.]
Note: Vol. II, p. 285 of Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850 has Maria Andrea de los Dolores Tapia marrying Juan Maria Trujillo 20 February 1849 at Los Angeles Plaza Church. Andrea was baptized 10 November 1828 at Mission San Gabriel. La Tejedora

 

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