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Pregunta 370

Do you have any information on Sabastian Albitre, San Gabriel, Calif., circa 1781? [Frank Lopez (nonmember), Lathrop, Calif.]

UPDATE: Pregunta 370 - 1 July 2006

Do you have any information on a Casa Alvitre, Felipe Sabastian Alvitre, and 12 families from Mission San Gabriel helping in farming or establishing it...thanks. [Frank Lopez (nonmember), Lathrop, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 370 - 6 October 2006

If you've read of "Casa Alvitre" in a certain woman's post, believe me, she's not related and the information she has on her post is simply "imagination."  Casa Alvitre?  Sounds like Sebastian lived on a Hacienda with much acreage.  Nope!  He returned (from Baja) to Los Angeles and moved to Rancho delos Nieto where he raised his family and ran cattle of his own along with those of the widow, Doña Teresa Morillo.  He did not live on "Casa Albitre" but in a simple ranch house common to that time.  He lived there until his death in 1817.  I will mentioned several things from a specific post (Pregunta 257) which are not true 
Facts:
*    Sebastian Tarabel was not born to a wealthy family.  There were no wealthy Indians in the 1700s, in Baja or Alta California.  
*    The lady speaks of Tarabel's journey through the desert taking a woman and a male - (1) this is when Tarabal crossed the desert and met with Anza in Tubac - (2) however, she immediately follows with Tarabal going through Willow Springs, Arvin, westward into Delano as if this is the same event. These are two different occasions, the second being that of Francisco Garces entry into the San Joaquin Valley.  Afterwards, he died in Colorado.
*    Sebastian AlBitre born in 1722 - not AlVitre who was under Anza.  She follows with one who read and the other who could read, write, and make maps.  According to records, there is only ONE Sebastian Alvitre and there is volumes about him in the Bancroft Library, and yet no mention of a SECOND Sebastian Albitre and Alvitre were used interchangeably.  In France, the Basque Country, Spain and Portugal, it is spelled Albitre.  I've even seen a coat of arms from Italy but don't know if it is a legitimate coat of arms. 
*    She mentions Sebastian Tarabel and his cousin, Sebastian Albitre again.  This is false           
*     The lady claims the story of Zorro is based on the life of Sebastian Albitre.  Incredible!  The story was not published because it vilified the Mission Padre's and thus the Church authorities did not allow its publication.  The author died and it was the son or grandson who toned it down and then published the book lately.  She mentions Michael Douglas and his spouse as actors in the movie. 
*    Her Sebastian was the Indian protector, the hero between the Mission Padre's and the Indian population.  Apparently she hasn't read the preview of Harry Crosby's future publication.
*    If you ask her for her sources, I promise you, you will not receive them.   I had to address this post in order to stop the emails questioning me about it. Sorry for the long response.  [John Albitre (member), Bakersfield, Calif.]
 

Respuesta a Pregunta 370 - 23 June 2006

According to Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850, Vol. I:
A Felipe Sebastian Alvitre [born about 1750 at Villa de Sinaloa, Sinaloa, Mexico; buried 22 February 1817 at Mission San Gabriel] married Maria Rufina Hernandez [born about 1750 at Loreto, Baja California, Mexico] about 1795 at Loreto Presidio. They had 9 children between 1796 and 1814: Jacinto Marin, Juan Joseph Maria, Joseph Gabriel, Jose Antonio, Maria Dominga, Josef Vicente, Marin Florentina Calistra, Jose Claudio, and Maria Dolores. Felipe Sebastian was a soldado de cuera on the 1769 Portolá Expedition and settled at San Jose de Guadalupe in 1783. Bancroft names him an incorrigible scamp. He was at the Pueblo de Los Angeles in 1790. All of their children but the first and sixth were baptized at Mission San Gabriel. [Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 369 - 14 June 2006

My grandfather is Alfredo Marshall (Marcial) Estrada, born 1858 in California.  His father is listed in 1860 California census records as Jose Antonio Estrada, born about 1814 in Monterey Calif.  My question is: who is Jose Antonio’s father?  I found a reference to a Jose Antonio Juan Chinaco Ricardo Estrada, born about 1813 in Monterey to Jose Raymundo Estrada, but I can’t verify that he is the same person as my great-grandfather Jose Antonio.  As a retired academic librarian I need a source to quote to rest assured this is my ancestor!  Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. [Erlinda Estrada (nonmember), Santa Clara, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 369 - 7 September 2006

I don't know if this will help you but my paternal grandmother, Rosario Estrada Estrada, had either a cousin or uncle ( grand-uncle ) who was Marcial Estrada. I remember reading about him as a child in the then Pico Rivera Daily News, which is now the San Gabriel Valley Tribune. The article came out sometime in the late 1960s and mentioned he was a member of one of the first families to settle in the San Gabriel Valley in the 1850s. There were many Estradas in the San Gabriel Valley and many were/are buried at the the San Gabriel Mission. The graves and records of those buried early on may have been lost to flood and fire, but there are still grave markers there of the Estrada family. An early San Gabriel Valley census is on display at the El Monte Historical Museum, which shows my grandmother and her parents and siblings. It might also help you. My dad has a picture from around the 1930s of his uncle Alfred Estrada. Could he be related? Let me know what you find out. This is very interesting. Good luck with your search. [Grace Moreno Miranda (not yet member), Covina, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 369 - 23 June 2006

Marie Northrop's, Spanish-Mexican Families Volume III.
Page 199 
Maria Dolores de Alta Gracia de la Guerra, baptized 8 April 1827; married 23 January 1854 at Mission Santa Ines to Jose Antonio Estrada (of Monterey), children: Henrique Remigio Estrada (born 1 or 10 October 1856; baptized 12 October 1856 at Mission Santa Ines), Alfredo Estrada (born 30 June 1855; baptized 2 August 1858 at Mission Santa Ines).
Page 175
Jose Antonio Juan Chinaco Ricardo Estrada, born 30 March 1813 a las 11 de la mañana; baptized 3 April 1813 Monterey Presidio; son of Jose Raymundo Estrada and Maria Josefa Vallejo viudo Jose Francisco Alvarado (J. F. Alvarado and M. J. Vallejo were the parents of Juan Bautista Alvarado, the Governor. Maria Josefa was the sister of General Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo.)

I would pretty much feel that this is your family line, what with the birth of Jose Antonio in Monterey, There was only one family in Monterey with the name of Estrada at that time period. I am from that line! There was another Jose Antonio Estrada born to Jose Mariano Estrada, the brother of Jose Raymundo, but he was not born till 1821 and died at the age of 4 years! There have been several posts here with information on this Estrada line. But if La Tejedora will give you my e-mail address I will be glad to share with you! [Done. La Tejedora] I take this Estrada line back to 1663. [Jimmie Hardy (member), Winston, Ore.]

Pregunta 368 - 14 June 2006

How do I obtain information on Gen. Mariano Vallejo? I am interested in his descendants specifically. Thank you. [Patricia A. Vallejo (nonmember), Milwaukee, Wisconsin.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 368 - 23 June 2006

Patricia ... the General is my first cousin, 6 generations removed.  He is the son of Maria Antonia Isabela de Lugo, my 5th great aunt.  He is connected to the de Castros of California and many other noteworthy early Californianos.  What specifically are you looking for?  If you go on the Internet and note his name, a wealth of information will be at your fingertips.  Also, read Kenneth Castro's Castro of California, Genealogy of a Colonial Spanish California Family and Marie E. Northrop's three volumes on early California families. [Howard Lee Smith (member), Trinity, Fla.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 368 - 14 June 2006

The internet and your local library [perhaps through Interlibrary loan] should be able to provide you with information on General Vallejo's life. Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California: 1769-1850, Vol. II, pp. 308-311 and Vol. I, pp. 350-352  should also be available to you through Interlibrary loan. The following is a summary of the information in Vol. II.

Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo [baptized 5 July 1807 at San Carlos de Monterey Capilla Real; parents Ygnacio Vicente Ferrer Vallejo and Maria Antonia Isabela Lugo; died 18 January 1890 at Sonoma] married Francisca Maria Felipa Benicia Carrillo [baptized 24 August 1815 at San Diego Presidio; parents Joaquin Victor Carrillo and Maria Ygnacia Lopez; died 30 January 1891 at Sonoma] on 6 March 1832 at San Diego Presidio. They had 16 children between 1833 and 1857 [Andronico Antonio (2, one died young), Epifania de Guadalupe, Adalayda, Natalia Veneranda, Plutarco, Platon Mariano Guadalupe, Guadalupe, Maria Jovita Francisca, Uladislao, Plutarco (2nd), Maria Benicia Zenobia, Napoleon Primo, Benicia Ysabel, Maria Luisa Eugenia, and Maria Ygnacia]. Mariano also had 5 hijos naturales baptized between 1827 and 1833 [Jose Ramon Altagracia and Maria Antonia del Carmen Vallejo (Avila), Jose Mariano Vallejo (foster son?), Pia Juana de Latina Vallejo (Zuniga), and Prudencia del Refugio Lopez.

"Entered military service in 1823 as a cadet in the Monterey Company; 1827 alferez of the San Francisco Company; 1834 promoted to lieutenant; grantee of Petaluma Rancho; 1835 founder of Sonoma; 29 November 1836 made comandante general of California under Alvarado's new government; advanced in 1838 to captain; 1842 turned over his command to Micheltorena; made lieutenant-colonel by new administration; 1843 granted Rancho Soscol; June-August 1846 cast into prison at Sutter's Fort by the 'Bears', made brevet colonel and colonel in July and September 1846 in Mexico; gave site of Benicia, town named for his wife; first state senate; privately generous and kind-hearted and fond of women; publicly maintained an unpopular pompous manner and speech but respected by fellow Californians; entertained distinguished visitors at his home Lachryma Montis (Tear of the Mountain) near Sonoma." [Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 367 - 14 June 2006

Hi. My great great grandfather is Josef Vicente Cleto Sepulveda born 17 February 1865. His father, Pedro Alcantara Sepulveda, was born around 1840, I think at San Gabriel Mission. My grandmother is Gabrielino, Indian from her grandmother's side. We don't know if her grandfather, Josef Sepulveda, was Mexican or Mission Indian. We are trying to research the Sepúlveda side of the family so if any body can help me please email me back, thank you. romo7@sbcglobal.net [Sal Romo (nonmember), Perris Calif.]

Pregunta 366 - 3 June 2006

The Cordero's of Santa Barbara and Las Cruces California are in my lineage.  My great grandmother was Josephine Cordero (born 1887) in Las Cruces, Santa Barbara.  Her grandmother was Antonina and her grandfather was Vincente Cordero (born 1825) in Las Cruces, Calif.  Somewhere along the line, the names of her parents have been lost. There were 5 children:  Josephine Cordero, Stephen Cordero, Albert Cordero, Pauline Cordero, and Miguelita Cordero, all of Rancho Las Cruces, California.  Does anyone know their parent's names?  Please contact me katythenurselady@verion.net  Thank you! [Kate Williams (nonmember), Los Gatos, Calif.] Note: and please copy to LaTejedora@aol.com so others can share the information.

Pregunta 365 - 3 June 2006

Pregunta regarding Guadalupe Briones, daughter of Vicente Briones and Antonia de Patron, (from San Luis Potosi, Mexico), sister of Marcos Briones, and the wife of Juan Olivera, soldado de cuera from the Presidio at San Diego. Guadalupe probably lived at or near Mission San Luis Obispo before her marriage to Juan Olivera.  Does anyone have information regarding Guadalupe's life after her mother died? How and when did Guadalupe migrate to Alta California? Thank you. [Lorri Ruiz Frain (member), Mountain View, Calif.]

Pregunta 364 - 3 June 2006

Looking for information and relatives of Francisco Xavier Alvarado, my  great great great great grandfather. He was born in 1756 at Presidio de Loreto, Baja California and died 1831 and is buried at the Mission San Gabriel. He married Maria Ignacia Amador and was the father of Juan Nepomuceno Alvarado. Trying to find out who his parents were and their history coming to the New World. [Al Vasquez (nonmember), Costa Mesa, Calif.] Note: Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California 1769-1850, Vol. I, pp. 6-7 has Francisco buried 3 September 1851 at Los Angeles Plaza Church. She says he was married in Baja California about 1787. Juan Nepomuceno was his 4th child (of 15), 2nd son. Francisco was "in San Diego in 1780; retired sargento of the 1790 Santa Barbara Company; Sargento Encargado of the Pueblo of Los Angeles in 1800; the comisionado in 1805 of Los Angeles; later a retired sergeant in Los Angles." La Tejedora

Pregunta 363 - 3 June 2006

Does any one know when the next Larios family reunion will take place?  Do you have any names and phone numbers or E-Mail addresses of people who can answer this question?  I would also like to find others who are descendants of Don Manuel Larios. Thanks teeter1@cfu.net  [Denise Fuehring (nonmember), Cedar Falls, Iowa] Note: and please copy to LaTejedora@aol.com so others can share the information.

Respuesta a Pregunta 363 - 12 September 2006

Before answering this query, I needed to consult with cousin Bob Picha, the primary force behind the 1997 and 2004 reunions in San Juan Bautista.  We agreed that neither of us plan another reunion prior to 2007.  We will consider it next year. In 1997, the 200th anniversary of Manuel Salvador Larios' birth,  we considered a reunion every five years. The first reunion was a lot of work. The Sept. 11, 2004 Larios/Castro reunion was the result of honoring the
request of Paul Larios, son of Estolano and grandson of Manuel Salvador Larios.  He looked great at the reunion, but died in November of 2004. [Boyd de Larios (member), South San Francisco, Calif.]

Pregunta 362 - 3 June 2006

I am searching for information on my great great grandfather Jose Apolonio Dominguez. I think he was born 10 February 1816 in Santa Barbara, Calif. and married Maria Merced Lopez. So if any body has any information please get back to me. romo7@sbcglobal.net [Teresa (nonmember), Perris, Calif.] Note: and please copy to LaTejedora@aol.com so others can share the information.

Respuesta a Pregunta 362 - 3 June 2006

Perhaps you already have the following information. But, just in case you haven't, I am sharing it. 

According to Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California 1769-1850:
Vol. II,  p. 141:
Maria de la Merced Lopez was born 24 Septemb3er 1818 at Mission San Gabriel, daughter of Cornelio Maria Lopez [born 15 September 1792, baptized 16 September 1792 at Mission San Gabriel, son of Jose Maria Claudio Lopez and Maria Luisa Cota] and Maria Rafaela Laureana Romero [born 4 July 1802, baptized 5 July 1802 at Mission San Juan Capistrano, daughter of Jose Antonio Romero, soldier of the guard at San Juan Capistrano, and Maria Serafina Rosas]. Cornelio and Maria Rafaela were married 20 November 1817 at Mission San Gabriel.  Maria de la Merced married Apolonio Dominguez.

Vol. I, p. 331: Maria Magdalena Soledad Dominguez was baptized 20 October 1844 at Mission San Gabriel. She was the daughter of Jose Apolonio Dominguez and Maria Merced Lopez (buried 1880 at Los Angeles). Maria Magdalena married Pedro Alcantara Sepulveda 28 November 1857 at Los Angeles Plaza Church. They had 8 children. She was buried 5 June 1884 at Los Angeles. [Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 361 - 3 June 2006

I am looking for information on Jose Calstro Pacheco (born 1 October 1854 in San Juan Capistrano). He is said to have married Juana Olivares. [Pauline Rodriguez (nonmember), Lake Elsinore, Calif.]

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