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Pregunta 560 - 10 July 2009

I am looking for any information on Carmen (Carmel) Ruiz, daughter of Jose Antonio Ruiz or Juan Agaton Anselmo Ruiz and Maria Francisca Canedo. Carmen was married to Francisco Xaviar Valenzuela and had a daughter, Juliana Valenzuela, ,born 1854. She also was married to Jose Maria Ortiz and then had children Eugenia and Paula Ortiz born in Anaheim. I need a birth place and birth year for Carmen Ortiz. I have conflicting information that has her birthdates from 1841 to 1855. Need this information to complete my family tree. Thank you [Ayde Mendibles (not yet member), Clovis, Calif.]

Pregunta 559 - 2 July 2009

I have been researching my late mother's Mexican family history for some time

My mother was Caroline Louise Beasley Mullins.  Her mother was Bessie Gee, daughter of Caroline (Carolina) and Parley Gee.  All three women were born at Los Angeles.  Carolina (great grandmother) is a problem.  We don't know her birth surname, nor for that matter, her surname when she died (22 September 1948).  Because of this missing piece of information, Calvary Cemetery was unable to offer any information.  I was only six at the time, but I remember the funeral.

Other bits of information regarding great grandmother Carolina:
1.  Her mother was Concepcion, born at the Avila Adobe (presumably the one at Olvera Street, but maybe not).
2.  Her siblings were Maria (Aunt Mary), Rosa (Aunt Rose), and Juan (Uncle Johnny).
3.  Uncle Johnny is said to have shot a man, and further, his legal expenses forced his father to sell substantial property in Los Angeles.
4.  Among Carolina's married names were White, Hyde, Gee and Flanley.  She was an enigmatic person, and was never at any family gatherings (other than her own funeral).

I have also been working on possible relationships with the Pico and Forster families,  mostly due to resemblances to members of those families.  My late uncle, Ralph Beasley, bore an incredible resemblance to Pio Pico, and my brother has some of that resemblance. Ysadora can be seen in the faces of Carolina and her daughter Bessie.  In a departure, a girl that I graduated from Mater Dei High School with, Charlene Forster, from the Forster Ranch in San Clemente, always reminded me of Bessie, my grandmother..  A yearbook photo of Charlene, seen next to an Easter 1946 photo of my grandmother shows a startling resemblance (I have long since lost touch with any high school classmates).

I have contacted Calvary Cemetery, been to the Sherman Library in Corona del Mar (a wonderful resource for genealogical research of California families), also the Los Angeles Hall of Records (in Norwalk, where I searched through old handwritten records in the basement), and to the Old Plaza Church (no help at all!), and also the Pico House Hotel, where a knowledgeable docent suggested the Central Library, my next stop.  Marie Northrop's book was wonderful, but no help

If anyone reading this has any information that may help (perhaps the names of the grandchildren of Ysadora Pico Forster, or more directly, the offspring of Juan Fernado Forster, who lived at Los Angeles, and developed the Forster Block on Main St.), I will be so grateful.  I'm running out of leads.  Tomorrow I will be searching for a book recommended by a friend who also frequents the Sherman Library. Again, Muchas Gracias in advance for any information or suggestions. [Terry Mullins (nonmember), Aliso Viejo, Calif.]

UPDATE: Pregunta 559 - 30 December 2011

An article in the Los Angeles Times (Sept. 05, 1895) regarding the "company" established to resolve disposition of the Avila Family Estate, there is mention of the children of Antonio Avila. Ascencion and Concepcion are mentioned, among several others. Is this the great- great grandmother? Great Grandmother Caroline held that her mother Concepcion was born at the Avila Adobe. My thanks to any responders. [. [Terry Mullins (nonmember), Aliso Viejo, Calif.]

UPDATE: Pregunta 559 - 8 October 2009

Thanks to those kind responders who have helped me with my lengthy research into the ancestry of my late mother, Caroline Mullins. The enigmatic person whose "very private" life made research difficult, my great-grandmother, Caroline Flannelly ( among other names. . . she was oft-married), has until now been the lynchpin I needed to nail down. And now I have. She was one of nine children of John S. White and Concepcion Chona Avila White. [Los Angeles Times articles spell the name "Conception".

Concepcion
was born 1855 in California, no city given, and lived most of her life in Los Angeles. I still have some questions about this family line. John White was born 1841 in Illinois. My questions arise from a couple of sources.
One is that the great-grandmother Caroline passed down that her Avila mother was related to the Lugos of Bell Gardens. The other one, two-fold, involves striking resemblances of 2 of my relatives to some well known Californios. A Forster (Charlene) that I graduated from high school with (1960) reminded me amazingly of my Grandmother Caroline's daughter, Bessie.  Additionally, Bessie's son (my uncle) Ralph Beasley bore more than a similarity to Gov. Pio Pico. Ralph passed in 1983, long before I became aware of this resemblance to Pico (via on-line photos).

I would appreciate any suggestions that might lead me further in this quest. I am excited about the information on Concepcion(Avila) and John White, but the above mentioned unrequited searches leave me with a feeling that I have a lot of work to do.

Gracias for any helpful directives. [Terry Mullins (nonmember), Aliso Viejo]

Respuesta a Pregunta 559 - 2 August 2009

My name is Carmen Cesena, my family (father, Teodoro Cesena Lucero; mother, Guadalupe Carrillo Miranda de Cesena) my three brothers, and one sister immigrated to this country in 1958.  Albert Pico, one of the last living descendants of Gov. Pio PIco, nephew to Gertrudis Pico, (never married) were our sponsors. We lived at Casa Loma Ranch, in San Jacinto (Riverside, Calif). Albert and his wife (they were separated) had three daughters, Valerie, Margo, and Trudy Pico.
He passed away and is buried in Riverside, I believe. Good Luck. [Carmen Cesena (nonmember), Victorville, Calif.]

Pregunta 558 - 2 July 2009

I am looking for any information on Ernardo Rosas German [ Herman ]. I believe he was born in the late 1700s. He married a Chumash woman from Santa Barbara.  They may have been married in Tulare, Calif. in the early 1800s . Their child was enrolled in the convent at San Juan Bautista, her name was Santica , Other child died and I can not find what his name was . [Doug Nulton (nonmember), San Luis Obispo, Calif.]

UPDATE Pregunta 558 - 12 March 2011

Looking for information on Maria Santos German's parents. Believed to be Enardo Roses German and Mekilia [ a Chumash woman from Santa Barbara Calif. They may have been married in Tulare, Calif. in the first part of 1800s. Would love any feedback: dnultonsr@wildblue.net [Douglas F. Nulton, Sr. (nonmember), San Luis Obispo, Calif.]
Note: please cc LaTejedora@loscalifornianos.org so I can share the information with others that might be following the discussion.
La Tejedora

UPDATE Pregunta 558 - 26 December 2009

Mekilia and Enardo Roses German had two children , Mekilia passed away from smallpox while they were still young , Enardo took the children from Santa Barbara and enrolled them in the convent in San Juan Bautista were the little boy soon died of smallpox also . The little girl was named Maria Santica German . Maria Santica married Dsidero Belarde and had three children . Maria Santica married for a second time to Jose Reyna , an Amio Indian from Sonora, Mexico and they had three children . Maria Santica married for a third time to Pedro Martinez and they had two children . All of Maria Santica's children were born in San Juan Bautista . I can not find information on Maria Santica's brother or parents . Maria Santica was married in 1853 the first time . [Douglas Frank Nulton Sr. (nonmember), San Luis Obispo, Calif.]

Pregunta 557 - 1 July 2009

Hi, I looking for information on Maria Juana Peralta, wife of Solomon Maria Pico.  I recently discovered that he is my great great grandfather who fled to Baja California to escape the law and was later executed by the Mexican authorities.  Was his wife murdered by American miners and that the reason he became a bandit?  Thank you. [Maria Pico Sclafani (nonmember), Romulus, N.Y.]

Pregunta 556 - 29 June 2009

I believe my great-grandmother is the late Maria Antonia Rodriguez Soberanes, whose daughter may have been Matilda Gabriela Sobranes, my Grandmother, who was born in 1873 in King City, Calif.  She died in 1967 and I have no information on her as all her siblings are deceased and I am curious to know more.  I know we are part of the family of the Soberanes who used to live in Casa Soberanes in Monterey, Calif. [Nicole Lloyd (nonmember), Huntington Beach, CA]
 

Respuesta a Pregunta 556 - 29 June 2009

Marie Northrop's Spanish-Mexican Families of Early California:1769-1850, Vol. II pp. 266-68 has the following:
Maria Antonia Rodriguez [born 14 February 1795 of Manuel Rodriguez and Maria Balvenada Antuna; baptized 16 February 1795 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey; buried 12 January 1883 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey] married Feliciano Antonio Jose Soberanes [born 9 June 1788 of Jose Maria Soberanes and Ana Josefa Castro; baptized 10 June 1788 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey; buried 4 May 1868 at Mission San Carlos de Monterey] on 10 November 1810 at Mission Soledad. Northrop cites 14 children born between 1811 and about 1838: Maria Josefa Gracia, Jose Antonio Panfilio, Maria Gabriela Josefa, Francisco Maria, Jose Antonio, Jose Maria Victor, Maria del Carmen Natividad, Maria Guadalupe, Jose Feliciano del Carmen, Jose Andres del Carmen, Maria Ana Antonia Francisca, Jose Mateo, Ana Maria (Anita), and Manuel Gregorio. Either this is not your line or Maria Antonia Rodriguez Soberanes is either your great, great grandmother or great, great, great grandmother. [Benita H. Gray (member), San Diego, Calif.]

Pregunta 555 - 29 June 2009

I have been researching the early families of my hometown of Colton, San Bernardino County, California which includes those Spanish settlers of Agua Mansa and San Salvador along the Santa Ana River. 1860-1910 Census lists: Velarde, Vaca, Valasco, Valdez, Valencia, Ortega, Valentine, Valenzuela and a LOT MORE! Would love to hear from any who know of these early Colton families! New email address: linmari@peoplepc.com [Lynn Gavette Roberts (nonmember), Pekin, Ind.]

Pregunta 554 - 6 May 2009

I am currently doing research on my family history, ( Cesena- Carrillo), and would welcome any leads on the descendants of Ruth and  Albert J. Pico, key people in education of myself and siblings. ccesena@mac.com

Pregunta 553 - 15 April 2009

I am the great grandson of Alfred William Mills listed in the 1880 census with his family:
                 
                         A W Mills 1834 England  (listed AW Mills
      Wife         Mary Mills 1850 Ca 
      Dau          Mry Mills 1870  Ca
      Dau           Louisa Mills      Ca
      Son            Alfred Charles Mills 1876 Ca
       Son          Frank R Mills 1879 Ca
All the California births were in Santa Clara County.  Alfred Mills was Captain of the Schooner
 Nellie Carter  which was stranded off Nova Scocia  30 August 1906.  I don't know if he was on the boat at
 that time.
       
 Here is the problem, Mary Mills name was Alviso.   It is recorded in the family bible as
 Maria Narcisa Alviso Mills.   Since marrying outside the faith was not popular she was not
 buried in the cemetery with the others in the family.  One census list her middle name as M.  Whatever
 family of Alvisos it was had some kind of large land grant.  My mother said at one time there was
possibly a bandit in the history but I don't know about that.  I do know having discussed with my Grandfather
and Uncle many times that she was an Alviso.   As to where she is buried, I know it was in  Santa Clara County
someplace.  Any help would be appreciated.   Excuse my spelling  as at 80 my eyes are not so good.
                                    [Earl A Fowlkes (nonmember), Mt. Holly, N.C.] 704-822-0441  blueox6@yahoo.com

Respuesta a Pregunta 553 - 1 July 2009

I have contacted Earl directly regarding Mills y Alviso family details, using the following sites -
Found stories of wagon accident causing death of Alfred William Mills in 1897 using Library of Congress for San Francisco Call newspaper:
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/
articles note that he was widowed and survived by children Alfred & Frank Mills and Louisa Forbes.

Family can be seen in 1870 Santa Clara County census with
William A.,  wife Mary M. and daughter Mary E. at age 1 month:
http://www.census-online.com/links/CA/Santa_Clara/

Found date of death for Louisa Forbes in 1942 by searching for father Mills and mother Alviso on California death index:
http://www.sfgenealogy.net/php/vitals/cadiindex.php

Found burials for Alfredo (1872-1874) and twin sister Louisa Forbes at Mission City Memorial Park:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cascchgs/mission_cem/cemindex.htm

Additional burials at Mission City Memorial Park include
M. M. Mills (male) died 1882 which might be the wife of Alfred Mills, in error
M. E. Mills - probably daughter Mary born May 1870 died age 13 yrs and 11 months in April 1884.

If M. M. Mills died 1882 at age 36 is actually the wife then Family Chart # 81  Alviso y Pacheco (Dorothy Mutnick: "Some Alta California Pioneers & Descendants 1776-1852") may show Alfred's wife as Maria de Jesus Narcisa born 30 Sept 1846.
Her baptism at Mission Santa Clara on 11 October 1846 can be found on Huntington Library site:
http://www.huntington.org/Information/ECPPlogin.htm [Julia Christy (member), Sundance, Wyoming]

Pregunta 552 - 3 April 2009

We, the Romero family, descendants of Jose de Jesus Romero, born about 1855, are searching for his parents as well as his final resting place. The June 1880 U.S. Census, 5th Ward, shows Jesus Romero and his wife, Lolla residing at 165 Kohler, Whittier, Los Angeles, Calif., with their four children, Alexander, Epifanio, Maria and Bernarda. Ventura (Ben) Cloromiro Romero Gutierrez, born 18 August 1885 in Azusa, CA, son of Jesus Romero and Dolores Camacho, was my Mother's father, and my grandfather. We would be most grateful for any information regarding Jesus Romero. [Lorraine Frain (member), Mountain View, Calif.]
 

Pregunta 551 - 3 April 2009

Looking for anyone relating or or knowing of Crescencio Flores Cuellar, mother Petra Flores and father Leonso Cuellar. They lived in Simons Brickyard, Montebello, Calif. and were from Maritas Penjamo, Mexico. [Lupe C. Lopez (nonmember), Whittier, Calif.]



 

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